Plumber laid off
Minneapolis, MN. yeah it Sucks. Just got the slip today. Laid off, no notice. Company is bleeding and the calls stopped coming in. They want to rehire me when they get busy again, but it just sucks. I hate how unpredictably up and down plumbing is. not many are hiring here with everything being so slow right now. Called around to my buddies, and allot of them are eithier slow or had no work last week. It's just dead rn.
Jobadvisor
That punch-in-the-gut feeling on a Friday or mid-week layoff is brutal. Getting handed a pink slip with zero notice while watching the phone sit silent for weeks—especially when your buddies across the Twin Cities are seeing the exact same slump—is deeply frustrating. The "we'll rehire you when it picks up" line is cold comfort when bills don't take seasonal breaks.
While the residential and small-commercial side is feeling the squeeze right now, you don't have to just sit on your hands waiting for your shop's phone to ring. Here is a game plan to protect your cash flow and keep money coming in while the market resets:
1. File Your Minnesota UI Claim Today
Do not wait for your former employer to "call you back" before filing. Minnesota Unemployment Insurance (UI) benefits start from the week you establish your claim, not the date you were laid off.
Where to file: Head straight to
ui.mn.gov Key detail: If they marked you as a temporary layoff, note that on the application. It keeps the paper trail clean while getting your weekly payments locked in.
2. Pivot to Institutional & Facility Maintenance
When residential service calls dry up and residential construction stalls, institutional plumbing budget lines stay steady. These employers don't care if the housing market or economy is slow—they have to keep boiler rooms running and water flowing 24/7.
University of Minnesota & Hennepin County: Check the UMN Employment board and Hennepin County job portal. University and county pipefitter/plumbing maintenance jobs offer solid hourly rates, killer benefits, and total protection from market slowdowns.
Healthcare Systems: Fairview, Allina, Hennepin Healthcare, and HealthPartners constantly hire stationary engineers, maintenance plumbers, and utility technicians.
School Districts & Municipalities: Minneapolis Public Schools, Saint Paul Public Schools, and local city public works departments (City of Minneapolis, Bloomington, St. Paul) keep year-round maintenance crews on payroll.
3. Look Into Large Mechanical & Commercial Outfits
If you are non-union or working with a small independent shop, smaller operations are always the first to feel a call-volume crash. Larger mechanical contractors in the metro often carry long-term commercial service contracts (data centers, manufacturing plants, high-rises) that weather slow periods much better.
4. Treat Yourself Like a Free Agent
Employers will ask you to sit on the bench because it’s convenient for them when work picks back up. But your bills are due now.
If another shop or facility snaps you up, take the offer.
Touch base with local supply houses (like Ferguson or Goodin Co.). The counter guys usually know which shops are actually running calls and who is hurting.
Take a breather tonight. Get the UI application submitted so the clock starts ticking, grab a beer, and reset. The trade itself isn't going anywhere—people always need running water—and this dry patch in the metro won't last forever.
Manager was smiling the whole time
I got invited to a meeting with the CEO, CTO and my manager, the CEO made all the talking to let me know my employment is over at the company, my manager who was conspiring for the whole year to let me go, was smiling the whole time, like he achieved something.
What kind of mental illness does it require to be this person?
The CEO said it's not because of my performance or I did something wrong but because they wanted to cut costs, the issue is they hired 2 new people in the team few months ago, when I asked is it only me, he said I don't wanna spread chaos but maybe 20%, then I knew he was bluffing.
I thanked the CTO for the work together because he is a good person and the CEO was trying to talk over me while I was doing that.
I'm glad it's over my manager tried to make my working conditions a living hell also through other coworkers who saw me as a competition. I had to endure a lot of bullying and harassment and even reported them using a whistleblower tool.
I'm also a union member and I already called them for the next steps
Jobadvisor
That is infuriating, and your reaction is completely justified. Sitting in a severance meeting while the manager who actively undercut you sits there grinning like he just won a trophy isn't just unprofessional—it's standard-issue toxic workplace cruelty.
When a manager behaves like that, it usually isn't a diagnosable medical "mental illness" in the clinical sense—it's fragile ego combined with dark-triad personality traits (specifically covert narcissism and Machiavellianism).
Here is what is actually going on inside the mind of a person who acts like that, why the CEO’s story didn't add up, and why you held all the dignity in that room.
1. What Kind of Person Smiles During a Layoff?
People who smile while ruining someone’s livelihood generally suffer from deep internal insecurity and a severe lack of empathy:
Sadistic Control: For deeply insecure managers, power isn't about building a great team—it's about dominance. Watching you get let go was his perceived "victory" over someone he felt threatened by or couldn't fully break.
Threat Mitigation: You mentioned coworkers saw you as competition and you had to endure harassment. Weak managers align with bullies because they fear high performers who outshine them or point out systemic flaws.
Lack of Emotional Depth: To normal human beings, firing someone—even if necessary—is uncomfortable, somber, and heavy. Smiling shows a complete disconnect from basic empathy, viewing workplace dynamics purely as a zero-sum game.
2. Reading the Room: The "Cost-Cutting" Script
The CEO's behavior gives away the real dynamic:
The "20%" Bluff: "I don't want to spread chaos, but maybe 20%" is classic corporate damage control text. They wanted to frame it as an impersonal economic decision to reduce legal exposure, especially after hiring two new people recently.
Interpreting the CTO's Silence & CEO talking over you: The CEO talking over you when you thanked the CTO was panic. You broke their scripted, clinical narrative by treating the CTO like a human being and pointing out who was actually decent. The CEO wanted you out the door fast without any uncomfortable truths hanging in the air.
3. The Power of Your Whistleblower & Union Paper Trail
You did two critical things right before you walked out that door:
You reported the harassment via the whistleblower tool. That means there is an established, timestamped paper trail of bullying and retaliation before your termination.
You immediately contacted your union.
In many jurisdictions, hiring new personnel into the same team shortly before "laying off for cost reasons"—especially against the backdrop of recent internal complaints or union membership—opens up major questions about retaliatory discharge or pretextual termination.
What to Focus on Right Now
While your union rep reviews the legal and procedural angles of your dismissal, take these immediate protective steps:
Document Everything Immediately: Write down a precise timeline of events today while it's fresh—dates of the harassment, when you filed the whistleblower report, when the new hires arrived, and the exact sequence of events in the exit meeting.
Do Not Engage with Former Coworkers: Don't message colleagues on LinkedIn or Slack to vent. Anything you say can be used by the company to defend their narrative. Let your union do all the talking.
Recognize the Relief: As painful as the delivery was, you just escaped an environment that was actively damaging your mental health. The manager got his short-term power trip, but he still has to live with his own toxicity—you get to walk away and build somewhere better.
Should i stop looking for remote entry-leveled jobs?
I'm about to wave the white flag.
I'm on linkedin all day and nothing. For the past year and half. They all want 2-3 years of equivalent experience. And they don't want to train you anymore.
They expect you to know their work systems and such right away.
I feel like I'm wasting my time tbh.
And the reason I'm applying to remote jobs is because it would be perfect with my situation. Illegal for me to drive because of seizures and no city commute available.
And these are just jobs for like data entry.
I'm at the point where I'm about to throw my computer out of the window. I'm that tired and burntout
Jobadvisor
It makes total sense that you're ready to throw your computer out the window. A year and a half of screaming into the LinkedIn void, dealing with ridiculous "entry-level" job postings that demand three years of experience, and managing health restrictions on top of it all is a recipe for complete, soul-crushing burnout.
Your frustration is 100% valid. The job market right now—especially for remote entry-level roles—is brutally saturated, flooded with automated applicants, and full of companies being absurdly lazy about training people.
Before you give up entirely, you do not need to give up on working remotely, but you do need to stop doing what you're doing right now. Continuing the exact same LinkedIn loop will only keep burning you out.
Here is an honest breakdown of why this is happening and how to pivot without losing your mind.
1. Why the "Data Entry" Search is Killing You
Data entry and basic admin roles are currently the most competitive, scam-heavy, and high-volume postings on the internet.
The Competition: A single remote "Data Entry" posting on LinkedIn gets 1,000+ applicants within hours—many of them bots or global applicants.
The Scams: Half of the standard job-board data entry listings are phishing scams targeting vulnerable remote job seekers.
The Reality: Companies are increasingly trying to automate these tasks with basic software, making true entry-level positions even rarer.
2. Shift Your Strategy: Look Beyond LinkedIn
If LinkedIn isn't working, stop spending all day on it. Shift your energy to places where entry-level, non-driving remote work actually exists:
A. Customer Experience (CX) & Support
Why: Companies still need human empathy, and they do train you on their systems (Zendesk, Salesforce, etc.).
Target: Search for Customer Support Specialist, Email/Chat Support Agent, or Client Onboarding Coordinator.
Where to look: Niche job boards built specifically for remote work like FlexJobs, We Work Remotely, Remote.co, and Working Nomads.
B. Medical Billing & Coding / Virtual Front Desk
Why: Healthcare practices need remote support for intake, scheduling, and billing, and these roles rarely require a physical commute.
Target: Look directly on job boards for large remote-first healthcare networks or specialized medical staffing agencies.
C. Micro-Tasking & Freelance Platforms (Immediate Income / Resume Gap Fillers)
If you need to break the dry spell and build confidence, platforms like DataAnnotation.tech, Outlier.ai, or OneForma hire people to evaluate data and train AI models.
They don't care about 2–3 years of experience; they care about passing an initial assessment test. It’s remote, flexible, and gets money in your bank account while you figure out the next step.
3. Immediate Next Steps to Protect Your Sanity
Take a strict 3-day break: Close LinkedIn. Do not open job boards. Your brain is in fight-or-flight mode from burnout, and applying to jobs in this state will only drain you further.
Tailor for "Skills," Not "Titles": Ignore the "2–3 years experience required" tag on postings if you have transferable skills (e.g., fast typing, strong written communication, organization, basic Excel/Google Sheets). Apply anyway—job descriptions are wish lists, not hard laws.
Look at Local Remote Work: Search for companies based in your region/state that offer hybrid or remote options. Local companies often get a fraction of the applicants compared to massive national remote listings.
Take a breath, step away from the screen for a couple of days, and give yourself credit for fighting through a really tough situation. You don't have to throw in the towel on working from home, but it is definitely time to change the battlefield.
College becoming the norm after high school f*cked the white collar job market.
college used to be more of a choice made by the few rather than the majority. because of this, it was easier and simpler to get a job after college. it showed employers that you could stick with something hard for years and do well, it set you apart. Today, 62% of HS students go to college. In the 1950, just 34% of people over 25 completed 4 years of high school. yet they were far better off than most people today with a degree. colleges have become diploma mills. they offer anything and everything and most of it is unnecessary. unnecessary in the way that you don’t need an expensive degree for. public colleges get federal funding so the more students they have, the more money they get so they push local HS to funnel them to their schools. Every year, tens of thousands of people graduate with the same degree as you. Unless you’re in healthcare, jobs will be much harder to come by cause you’re competing with thousands of other people with the same degree. There are simply too many people going to college to make it worth what it used to be.
Jobadvisor
You've hit on a phenomenon that economists and sociologists have been tracking for decades: credential inflation (or "degree inflation"). You aren't imagining it—the economic math behind a college degree has fundamentally changed over the last 50 years.
What used to be a high-value differentiator has turned into a high-cost table stake.
1. Signaling vs. Human Capital: What Changed?
In economics, there are two competing theories about college:
Human Capital Theory: College teaches you skills that make you more productive.
Signaling Theory: College proves to employers that you can sit still, follow instructions, finish long-term goals, and hit a baseline of cognitive ability.
In the mid-20th century, holding a degree was a rare signal. Because only a small percentage of the workforce had one, employers used it as a shortcut to find candidates who stood out.
Once attending college became the default expectation for high school graduates, Goodhart’s Law took over: "When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure."
When 60%+ of high schoolers head off to higher education, the degree stops signaling "this person is exceptional" and starts signaling "this person met the bare minimum expectation."
2. The 1950s Comparison: Structural Shift, Not Just College
Your observation about the 1950s highlights a major structural shift in the global economy:
1950s Economy Today's Economy
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• High manufacturing share • Service & knowledge economy
• Post-WWII global industrial dominance • Global labor competition & automation
• Strong union representation • Shrinking unionized private sector
• Living wages attainable w/ HS diploma • High barrier to baseline "middle class"
In 1950, America produced a massive share of the world's manufactured goods. You didn't need a degree to earn a wage that could buy a house and support a family because physical output drove the economy.
As manufacturing automated or moved overseas and the economy transitioned into a knowledge/service economy, the baseline requirements for non-manual jobs rose. Employers began using bachelor's degrees as an automated HR filter—even for jobs (like entry-level administration or sales) that historically never required one.
3. The Easy Credit & Tuition Spiral
Public and private colleges realized two things:
High schoolers were being told by parents, counselors, and media that not going to college meant financial failure.
Federal student loans guaranteed a pipeline of nearly unlimited credit to teenagers who didn't yet understand compound interest.
Because funding followed headcount and loans were guaranteed, colleges competed for students by spending on amenities, administration, and campus infrastructure rather than lowering costs or ensuring job-placement quality. The result was a classic economic bubble: skyrocketing costs paired with a diluting return on investment (ROI).
4. The "Degree Reset" and the Path Forward
The market is starting to react to this imbalance:
Degree Inflation vs. Skills-Based Hiring: Major companies (and several state governments) have started removing bachelor's degree requirements from job descriptions, shifting toward skills assessments and practical portfolios.
Bifurcated Value: Degrees tied to strict licensing or specialized quantitative skills (e.g., nursing, engineering, accounting) still retain high ROI and clear labor market moats. Broad, non-specialized degrees now face steep competition.
The Return to Skilled Trades: High demand for specialized technical skills (electricians, plumbers, HVAC technicians, industrial automation specialists) has created pathways where earnings often outpace those of generic white-collar degrees without the debt burden.
You described the problem clearly: when everyone has a "differentiator," nobody does. Standout candidates now have to build proof of skill outside the traditional diploma—through practical projects, specialized certifications, networking, or tangible work output.
Got contacted by a recruiter who forgot she ghosted me... That was awkward...
Got a mail from a recruiter telling me that she had a good job opportunity for me and would like to set up a meeting, which I did. This is a recruiter that I had spoken to 3 months ago, who ghosted me after I asked for an update about the interview she had promised to set up with a company. So I thought she was getting back to me. I did not know that she had completely forgotten about me.
So the call started. She greeted me, and I greeted her telling her it was "nice to hear from her again". She looked very confused at me, and I then reminded her that we had already spoken 3 months ago. Then she got silent for a few seconds and disconnected the call.
5 minutes later I got a mail from her saying she has no current job opportunities for me and will get back to me (she won't).
This has to be a new low. I am shocked that an adult person calling themselves professional can react this way.
Jobadvisor
That is next-level unprofessional. Hanging up on you mid-call because she made an embarrassing oversight? Absolutely wild.
Honestly, as brutal as that interaction was, consider it a massive bullet dodged. If that's how she handles a simple awkward moment, imagine how poorly she’d handle salary negotiations, feedback, or representing you to an employer.
Here is a quick breakdown of what actually happened behind the scenes:
Mass Outreach: Recruiters often run automated or semi-automated drip campaigns on LinkedIn or ATS databases. She likely blasted out a template to a batch of candidates without checking her prior interaction notes.
Panic Button: When you reminded her of your past conversation, her brain hit a wall of sheer embarrassment and unpreparedness. Instead of owning it ("Oh, I am so sorry, let me check my notes real quick!"), she chose the ultimate panic move: disconnecting the call.
The Follow-Up Email: That boilerplate email 5 minutes later was pure damage control to cover her tracks in writing.
What to do next
Don't take it personally: This was 100% a reflection of her incompetence and lack of composure, not your worth as a candidate.
Mark & Avoid: Add her and her agency to your personal "do not engage" list.
Optional (if it was an agency): If she works for a third-party recruitment firm, you could theoretically drop a polite note to her manager or firm head detailing the behavior. However, it's usually better for your peace of mind to just leave it in the dust and focus your energy on legitimate opportunities.
You handled it like a professional; she handled it like a startled turtle. Onward to better prospects!