Leave approved by HR, but managers asking me to call HR anyway

 


Handyman wanted hundreds of dollars in tips for his crew; what is happening


We had a small crew at our new place to do about $3K worth of repairs etc. When it came time to pay, the crew leader gave me a tablet and it said “add a tip”! wtf? First off, I’ve never tipped a handyman. Second, it suggested amounts based off percents like a restaurant! So my options were $300, $450, even $600! I hit the Skip button and signed for only the $3K. The crew leader never said a word. But is this a thing now?


Jobadvisor


It sounds like you just had a front-row seat to the latest expansion of "tip creep." You’re not imagining things—seeing a tip prompt for a multi-thousand-dollar home repair is a relatively new and controversial shift in the service industry.

Here is the breakdown of why this is happening and what the actual "rules" are in 2026.

1. The "Tablet" Effect

The biggest culprit isn't necessarily a change in social etiquette, but a change in software. Most handyman businesses now use all-in-one platforms like Housecall Pro, Jobber, or Square. These apps have "Tip" screens enabled by default. Often, the business owner just leaves it on because:

  • It’s "free" money: If even 10% of customers click a button, it’s a win for them.

  • Subsidizing wages: Some companies use tips to boost their workers' take-home pay without raising their own base labor rates.

2. The Math Problem ($300 vs. $20)

Traditionally, if someone tipped a handyman, it was a flat amount—slipping a $20 bill to a guy who crawled into a gross attic or stayed late to finish.

The software you encountered is trying to force "Restaurant Logic" (15–20%) onto "Trade Logic." Tipping 20% on a $3,000 job ($600) is widely considered absurd because that $3,000 already includes the cost of specialized tools, insurance, licensing, and a professional labor rate (often $75–$150/hour).

3. Current Etiquette (2026)

While tipping culture is aggressive right now, the consensus for home trades remains firm:

  • Not Expected: You are already paying a premium for skilled labor. Unlike a waiter making $2.13/hour, these workers are (or should be) paid a professional wage.

  • The "Owner" Rule: If the person doing the work is the owner of the business, you definitely do not tip. They set the price; if they wanted more, they should have quoted more.

  • When to actually tip: If a crew member goes way above the call of duty (e.g., fixing a squeaky door for free while they're there), a $20 bill or buying the crew lunch is the standard "nice" gesture—not $300 on a tablet.

Summary of Tipping for Home Services

Service TypeIs a Tip Expected?Better Alternative
Large Repairs ($1k+)NoA 5-star Google Review mentioning the crew by name.
Standard HandymanOptionalA cold Gatorade or a $10–$20 flat tip for great effort.
Specialized (HVAC/Plumb)NoReferrals to friends and neighbors.

You did exactly the right thing by hitting "Skip." The crew leader didn't say anything because they likely know how awkward those screens are.


The reaction was unbelievable


I went to a local mom and pop burger shop today for lunch. Initially the cashier was very personable and engaging. She liked my concert tshirt and asked me about the band. She turned the screen to me and said the dreaded words “it’s going to ask you a quick question”. I select 0% tip and her reaction was shocking. She looked visibly upset like I had just killed her dog. She hurriedly grabbed my receipt and threw it toward me while shaking her head and muttering.

I have gotten looks of disapproval before but never such a visceral reaction. SMh.


Jobadvisor

That is an incredibly jarring shift—to go from bonding over a band T-shirt to being treated like a villain just for hitting "Skip." It’s the ultimate customer service "jump scare."

What you experienced is the toxic side of the tipping-as-wage model. Here is the reality of why that interaction turned so sour so fast:

The "Bait and Switch" Feeling

It feels personal because it was personal for a moment. The friendly banter about your shirt made it feel like a human connection; the moment the tip screen appeared, that connection was "monetized." When you didn't pay the "friendship tax," she felt the rapport she built was wasted effort. It makes the initial kindness feel fake, which is arguably more frustrating than if she had been grumpy from the start.

Why the Visceral Reaction?

While it doesn’t excuse her behavior, there are usually two things happening behind the counter at these shops:

  • The "Entitlement" Trap: Some service workers have been conditioned by these tablet screens to view the 20% tip as a guaranteed part of their hourly wage rather than a bonus for exceptional service.

  • Management Greed: In many "mom and pop" shops, owners use tip prompts as a justification to keep base hourly pay low. She might be looking at you and seeing the $2.00 she "lost," which she feels she needs to make her rent.

The Logic Check

You were at a counter-service burger shop. Traditionally:

  1. You stood in line.

  2. You ordered.

  3. You will likely pick up your own tray and throw away your own trash.

In no world is a 0% tip a "kill the dog" offense for a transaction that took 60 seconds. You paid the listed price for the burger, which is the contract you entered when you walked in.


How to Handle "The Glare" Next Time

If you find yourself in that awkward silence again, you have a few options:

  • The "Grey Fast": Maintain a neutral, polite expression. You don't owe an apology for paying the price on the menu.

  • The Feedback Loop: If the reaction is truly unprofessional (throwing receipts, muttering), it is worth a calm mention to the manager or a review. "I loved the food, but the cashier's visible anger over a tip on a counter order made me feel unwelcome."

It’s a bizarre era where "no" is treated like a personal insult. You didn't do anything wrong—you just bought a burger.


 Boss sent me an email saying I won't be paid for the hours that I was unproductive


Location: Pennsylvania. I work at a nursing home as a CNA and am an hourly non-exempt employee. My coworker recently got a bad case of the flu, went home for a week and she apparently had passed it to me. I had to take a few days off during the worst of it but then went back to work when I was 60% better or so. I couldn't afford to take off too much though so I went back and tried powering through.

I'll admit, I wasn't nearly as up to speed or on my game as I usually am. I was walking a lot slower, had to take frequent bathroom breaks, was slow with entering information on the employee computer, and still had nausea with occasional headaches. That being said, I did get some things done.

My boss thinks otherwise though. He sent me an email regarding a complaint from a supervisor about me. In the email our boss says that because I was taking frequent breaks and "was unproductive" that I won't be paid for those hours. Can they actually dock your pay if you're not doing much at work?


Jobadvisor

I’m sorry you’re dealing with this—getting docked for being sick is a massive headache, especially when you were trying to do the right thing by showing up for your team.

The short answer is no. In Pennsylvania, and under federal law, your boss generally cannot refuse to pay an hourly, non-exempt employee for time spent on the clock just because they think you weren't "productive" enough.

Here is the breakdown of why this is likely a violation of labor laws.


1. The "Suffer or Permit to Work" Rule

Under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA), if an employer "suffers or permits" an employee to work, they must pay them.

  • If you were clocked in and performing tasks (even slowly), you were working.

  • Even if you were unproductive, as long as you were "engaged to wait" or performing your duties, that time is compensable.

  • Employers can discipline or even fire someone for low productivity, but they cannot retroactively decide not to pay for hours already worked.

2. Pennsylvania Wage Payment and Collection Law (WPCL)

Pennsylvania law is very strict about this. Employers are required to pay employees for all hours worked on the regular payday.

  • Deductions from an employee's wages are only allowed in very specific circumstances (like taxes, healthcare premiums, or court-ordered garnishments).

  • "Low productivity" is not a legal reason for a wage deduction.

3. Rest Breaks vs. "Unproductive" Time

  • Short Breaks: The FLSA states that short breaks (usually 5 to 20 minutes) must be counted as hours worked. This includes those extra bathroom trips you needed because you were ill.

  • Meal Breaks: Only longer breaks (usually 30+ minutes) where you are completely relieved of duty can be unpaid.


Recommended Next Steps

  1. Save that Email: Do not delete the email from your boss. Forward a copy to your personal email address immediately. This is "smoking gun" evidence of an intent to violate wage laws.

  2. Keep Your Own Logs: Write down exactly which days and hours you worked and what tasks you performed, even if you were slow.

  3. Respond in Writing (Carefully): You might consider a polite but firm reply.

    "I received your email regarding my productivity while recovering from the flu. While I understand I wasn't at 100%, I was clocked in and performing my duties as a CNA during those hours. Under the FLSA and Pennsylvania law, I must be paid for all hours worked. I'm happy to discuss how we can get my performance back up to speed now that I'm feeling better."

  4. Contact the Authorities: If they actually follow through and your paycheck comes up short, you can file a wage claim with the Pennsylvania Department of Labor & Industry or the federal Department of Labor (WHD).

One final note: Because Pennsylvania is an "at-will" employment state, they can technically fire you for being unproductive, but they still have to pay you for every minute you were there before the firing.


Leave approved by HR, but managers asking me to call HR anyway


"you have been approved for FMLA to care for a parent starting 1/1/2026 – 12/31/2026, estimated frequency is 1-7 times per week 1 day per episode"

My mother is 80 we're in Texas, and she is in long term care. I had it approved for every day, just in case she's in the hospital or other needs sometimes. She's in the hospital right now. I've been off one week (last week)and need a second week. I manage all her affairs including medical (I'm her POA)

I'm an hourly paid phlebotomist.

My supervisors tell me that they are sending my request for another week off to upper management (not HR) for approval.

My immediate supervisor said: "I spoke with so and so supervisor and he said that it may fall outside the scope only because it's consecutive weeks without a break. However, I'm sending the email I was instructed to send so that way manager 1 & Manager 2 can review it"

They can't be serious. Is this legal?

I'm certainly willing to call HR, but I've already provided everything I can to get FMLA already approved in January.

Suggestions before I call HR?

Thanks.


Jobadvisor

It sounds like your managers are confusing "intermittent leave" with "a restriction on how much leave you can take," and they are straying into territory that could be considered FMLA interference.

In Texas (and federally), if you have a qualifying reason and have been approved for FMLA, your managers do not have the authority to "review" or "deny" specific episodes that fall within your medical certification.

1. The "Consecutive Weeks" Misconception

Your supervisor’s claim that this might "fall outside the scope" because it is two consecutive weeks is likely incorrect.

  • Intermittent vs. Continuous: FMLA can be taken in a single block (continuous) or in separate blocks (intermittent).

  • The Reality: If your mother’s condition worsens (like a hospitalization), an intermittent need can legally become a continuous need. You are entitled to up to 12 weeks total per year. Whether you use those 12 weeks one day at a time or 14 days in a row, the protection is the same.

  • Medical Necessity: As long as the leave is for the "serious health condition" described in your paperwork, the frequency is a medical determination made by the doctor, not a business decision made by "Manager 1 & 2."

2. Managers vs. HR

In most companies, managers handle scheduling, but HR handles compliance.

  • Your managers are treating your FMLA like a standard vacation request that requires "upper management approval."

  • FMLA is not a request; it is a right. Once HR has approved the certification, the manager's role is simply to record the absence correctly. They cannot deny it based on "workload" or "scope" if the medical necessity exists.

3. Your Documentation (The "1-7 times per week")

Your approval specifically says "1-7 times per week, 1 day per episode." * Mathematically, 7 times per week is every single day.

  • If you take 7 days off this week and 7 days off next week, you are still within the "1-7 times per week" parameter. The manager saying it's "outside the scope" because there's "no break" between weeks ignores the fact that your paperwork allows for daily leave.


Suggestions Before You Call HR

1. Don't Wait for the Managers' "Review"

The managers are currently acting as a filter they aren't supposed to be. Email HR directly and CC your supervisors. This moves the conversation from "asking permission" to "notifying of a protected absence."

2. Use Specific Language

In your email, use the following points:

  • "I am notifying you that I am exercising my approved FMLA leave for the week of [Date] due to my mother’s hospitalization."

  • "My approved certification allows for leave 1–7 times per week, which covers this period."

  • "My supervisor mentioned this was being sent to 'Upper Management' for approval. Since this is a pre-approved FMLA-protected absence, I wanted to clarify with HR that no further 'approval' is required beyond my medical certification already on file."

3. The "Change in Circumstances" Card

If HR gives you any pushback because the leave is now "continuous" instead of "intermittent," remind them that under 29 CFR § 825.306, you are only required to provide a new certification if the "circumstances described by the previous certification have changed significantly." A hospitalization for an 80-year-old with a chronic condition is a standard part of the "episodic flare-ups" usually covered by intermittent FMLA.

4. Keep a Paper Trail

If they try to deny the leave or "point" you for the time off, that is retaliation. Save the email where the supervisor said they were sending it to management for "review."


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